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i am george knapp listening to that ufo

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podcast and having one hell of a good

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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welcome dan with me for this one how are

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you doing daniel okay i'm great thank

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you very much how are you

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yeah i am not bad good to get this one

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recorded finally um since the listener

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submissions have been sitting in my

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patreon inbox or on the patreon page

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since about the 10th of july on this one

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quality uh quality ones from them oh

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everyone's and i checked the emails and

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stuff and i know they came from all over

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instagram or facebook then i might have

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one public it's just really easy to keep

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them all in one place but yeah it's good

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to get this one finally recorded before

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giving a shout out to a couple of

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listeners who are going through some

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medical stuff just now and so derek and

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randall and all the best from myself and

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dan from the podcast keep your chins up

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whatever you are with things and and we

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do wish you all the best and and you

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know what you're going through just now

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when you get in touch and that goes for

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anyone out there who if you're listening

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to the podcast and it's getting you

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through something which people get in

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touch with me and tell us all kinds of

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stuff then great glad you enjoy it and

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um again i'm sorry dan's here but it's

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just someone to bounce off so

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of a lost interview um last year almost

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scopes and stuff to to observe different

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objects in the sky and what you can and

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content thanks to everyone anyway who

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has been able to sign up and support the

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out to the podcast at ufo ufouapam

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gmail.com some of your stories and

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experiences recently have been

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dan have you got anything to add

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sightings south america and

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europe science kind of dominate the

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conversation it would be great to hear

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some stories from you know if you're

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to speak to you if you haven't it's part

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the last i call and it'd be good to hear

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that voice um listen to my accent and i

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managed to host a podcast so don't worry

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about coming on and not sounding

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coherent or whatever and and i should

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podcasts to youtube recently and the

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understand you perfectly so your accent

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if anyone complains about your accent

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yeah one star review that

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yeah anyway yeah thanks well remember to

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like and leave your review on apple

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podcast as well folks listen enough

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about that this podcast is all about

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it's one of our what-if podcasts i

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didn't steal that from marvel i told dan

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this months ago right he did it yeah no

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the ufo on the white house lawn it could

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be signals from space you know whatever

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confirmation we are no longer alone and

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what you don't see in the movies or the

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tv shows like as people going to work

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the next day or you know necessarily

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chat of realistically what would it be

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what it would have been had you asked me

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the fact we've just all been been

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through a pandemic and hopefully we're

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of stuff it would have scared everyone

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like it would have been a terrifying

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thing to think of and you would have had

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all these questions and yet

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here we are you know a few weeks after

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the pandemic started i was going through

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a starbucks drive through and you know

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mcdonald's opened up drive-throughs and

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those

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again that's from our you know first

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world problems isn't it that oh you know

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mcdonald's and starbucks are shut but

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life kind of goes on because you you

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adapt and you get on with it and i

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imagine this would be an even bigger

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subject because this really would affect

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all of humanity at the same time but

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yeah that's what got me interested in

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the conversation we we reached out to

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you the listener and uh just over a

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month ago you didn't let us down with a

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whole ton of ideas and suggestions so

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what we're going to do is pick some of

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those and we'll start talking about them

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and just kind of interlace them with

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what we think may happen in that dream

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scenario of

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we find out we are not alone in the

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universe

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how how would things change

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so derek got in touch with us um he

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mentions if you've seen tomorrow war or

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the tomorrow war on amazon prime the

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it's quite an interesting idea and i had

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another idea about a podcast and and

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remind me to ask about this later on

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about my podcast idea about

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yeah yeah scribble it down um just a

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tease for listeners right but i've got a

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really good one that i came up with

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earlier but um in the tomorrow war uh

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with chris pratt it's essentially

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they're watching the the world cup final

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and in the middle of the game people

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invade from the future are humans is it

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10 years in the future and they

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basically come through and tell people

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we need you to come back uh come to the

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future and help us fight an alien

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invasion which we're losing and we need

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numbers and the only way to get more

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people is to bring them from the past

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cool idea awesome um so derek had the

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idea that you know what they could just

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turn up randomly in the middle of a

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football tournament everyone's watching

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but he reckoned a few things that the

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stock market would nosedive because of

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oil stocks so he goes straight to oil

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churches would be open 24 7.

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pubs will be busy

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people's phones will be engaged as

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everyone rings family a lot of people

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phone in sick

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and the doom mongers will be in every

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town and preaching from their soap boxes

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he did also mention that that ufo

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podcast that's an all-time high for

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listeners that would be that would be a

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nice

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job it wouldn't it but you could make a

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silver lining to that just like

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unveiling scenario you know it's

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probably not far off that oh you know

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what's on the news just now breaking

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news you know we've got confirmation

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that alien life exists in the world and

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i'd be straight and going oh i have to

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go record okay just and just leave the

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family and if you're like dan dan can

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you go on and record fix the seo

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you'd have to so um a couple of good

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ones on there straight away religions

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quite a big one

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then

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how how do religions react to the

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confirmation of life in the universe

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well most religions

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kind of work in the idea of other forms

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of life into their religions

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you know the

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especially the eastern ones um

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[Music]

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whether it's kind of it's what we would

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call you know almost interdimensional or

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easy um but they're fairly used to the

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ideas whereas

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the conversation always comes up and i

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don't know if it's because

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a lot of my friends are a catholic

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but it's always

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a conversation around the catholic faith

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and how god thinks we're special and if

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more life is in the universe then it

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makes us less special and how they'd

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grapple with that um

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i think churches would stay open all the

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time and i think they get a lot of

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people

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coming to have a kind of

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a conversation not not even necessarily

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religious people but just looking for

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some calm conversation in what's sure to

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be a very very chaotic time do you think

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it's a bit of an outdated idea that

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religion would i think religion would

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collapse is the the the usual phrase

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that would be discussed do you think

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that's maybe a bit outdated now and

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that it wouldn't happen and that more

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and more virgins would be happy to

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accept the idea that that there's

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something else in whatever way shape or

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form that might be

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yeah i think so you know the vatican has

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an observatory so they're obviously not

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completely against the idea that

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something else is out there um

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and a lot of people think of god in not

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this kind of anthropomorphic way of a

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dude with a beard but more of a kind of

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a life force and if that's the case and

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just life in general is special then it

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works fine you know

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um it was it's mentioned further down by

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another listener now i'll hopefully

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bring it up at the time as well but

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might as well discuss it now there's

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also the notion that a lot of religions

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and others would see

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aliens as demonic potentially we hear

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about that potentially within the halls

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of the the pentagon and other

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governments worldwide no don't have have

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people with religious bias that would

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potentially indicate these things are

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demonic or angelic in nature and i just

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wonder if that's just another way that

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would be factored or filtered into

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things that

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that are almost devils

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yeah i mean

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devil is almost just the word that fills

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the gap right um the unknowable thing

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that is bad is the devil the label thing

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that is good is the angel of god you

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but it would be really interesting to me

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for us to start grappling with those

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things you know

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in a very very real way

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so derek also had the idea of like in

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all good movies some generals would want

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to use nooks

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what do you think about that do you

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think that would straight away be a

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conversation that would be being had or

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is that just hollywood talking

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i think i mean

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failing to plan is planning to fail

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right so i i think they'd have the

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conversation and there'd be a plan about

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let's get them ready you know

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um yeah i mean they're always ready to

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go right and the president has someone

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that follows him around with the

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briefcase and you know there are moments

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notice away um so there'll probably be a

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plan for it but i don't imagine it would

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be the first reaction i'm fairly sure

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this is an outer limit episode

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so listen there's a thing no we've seen

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this a thousand times in movies haven't

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we or tv shows that the aliens invade

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and the generals let's now come you know

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independence day famously does nook them

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to absolutely no in the outer limits

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it's a test they kind of threaten the

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earth or they don't respond to them when

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they try and communicate and then when

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earth fires at them they just kind of

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swap the you know the missiles away and

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then say well you were very nice to us

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so we're going to take your planet now

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well what about what you don't see in

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movies is they have that back and

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forward heated debate where some of the

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guys usually the scientists don't want

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to knock things and the military guys

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always play there yeah yeah let's get

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the nooks out but would there be a

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scenario in a that kind of real life

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real life scenario that someone turns

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around and says

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they

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it's pointless

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because that's something we hear about

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in the subject but you never see it

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brought up in a tv show in a movie that

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there's no point they just top them off

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they they always tend to

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you know in a tv show movie they would

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kind of go it wouldn't work and then

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they'd go but let's try and they'd find

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a way to make it work just before the

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pilot fired the missile you know that's

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how that would go um but maybe in real

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life i don't think that would happen i i

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think we'd be more likely to see things

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like

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um

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you know

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there would be thought behind it

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we we've had reports of emps bringing

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these things down um degraded or sorry

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depleted plutonium or uranium shells

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wasn't it um

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in italy so i think those kind of

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tactics would be employed rather than

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just kind of

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going for

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you know one haymaker so to speak

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yeah an interesting thought as is what

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okay everyone tends to to work some kind

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of shift or you know job if you're if

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you're able to

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and

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how would that affect things like can

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you imagine you work in mcdonald's or

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you work in an office or you're a you

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know a chef in like a busy restaurant or

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you know you clean you clean schools or

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whatever you do

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that you still have to go into work the

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next day don't you like it's okay does

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life just still go on because

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so many listeners i thought were

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interesting that people brought up the

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point that overnight things would change

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and you know we had to you know we

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discover our innate ability to

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telepathically communicate i don't think

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that changes overnight i i mean i know i

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have an

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innate ability to run but i can't just

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be usain bolt with that knowledge right

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yeah absolutely like i i just see it as

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being

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i know it's really weird to live in but

531
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again it goes back to that let's use the

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pandemic that if someone told you that

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that would happen but you know you would

534
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still well i still have worked through

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the whole pandemic just by the nature of

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my my day job just to remind folks i do

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work full-time as well yeah and it's

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like

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it's just been a different way of doing

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it but you've just had to get on with it

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during the pandemic

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and

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would it be the same that

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bus drivers train drivers cleaners

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high level execs would all still have to

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go to work maybe a day or two of

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disruption but

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i think maybe it depends on the form

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that they would take

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i know if you're feeling an invasion

551
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,240
done fair enough yeah i'm guessing no

552
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,400
you're not yeah

553
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,400
if if it's an immediate kind of thing

554
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:40,640
then you'd probably see more like um

555
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:43,600
when the incoming missile alert

556
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,679
the false warning was issued in hawaii

557
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:47,760
uh i can't remember the uh it was a

558
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,320
while back now though um we're basically

559
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:52,640
you know people just didn't go into work

560
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,679
um

561
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:55,120
though i did read a couple of stories

562
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,320
from there where

563
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,480
someone did go into work and they had a

564
00:21:01,669 --> 00:21:00,000
lovely kind of moment of connection on

565
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,679
the rooftop uh

566
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:03,520
with a stranger that they never spoken

567
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,600
to from work as they were expecting this

568
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,679
missile to kind of come down and

569
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,280
destroy everything they knew and loved

570
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:11,520
um it must mean a really insane moment

571
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:12,400
um

572
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,679
so i guess

573
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,600
realistically some people would go to

574
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,360
work and i guess it's a way to do

575
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,120
something

576
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,799
normal while the world is kind of

577
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:23,200
crumbling around you and we we know that

578
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,120
people experience cognitive dissonance

579
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,080
so i i think we'd still see some people

580
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:30,320
you know cold calling and offering you

581
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,679
sky tv

582
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,760
yeah well listen i just have to to reach

583
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,080
out and ask any starbucks baristas that

584
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,159
in the event of any cataclysmic event

585
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:40,880
please continue to attend work because

586
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,760
i'm a big fan of starbucks um so yeah

587
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,600
that's or at least

588
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,280
put the training manual in a really

589
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,360
obvious place so andy can help himself

590
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:51,039
in the event that you leave the door i i

591
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:52,559
wouldn't need a training manual to

592
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,360
operate

593
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,679
i'd be more than happy with that um

594
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,000
scott he talks about communication so

595
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,760
his first thought is around how as a

596
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,000
species we will choose to communicate

597
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,320
with the aliens and we might want to

598
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,080
make sure first contact is not made

599
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,840
through the military as what message

600
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,840
would that send so what your thoughts on

601
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,919
that then it's funny you know what and

602
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,280
that this gets a little bit on

603
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:14,880
potentially the idea i had for the the

604
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,400
other podcast but

605
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:18,159
watching um

606
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,600
right essentially my idea for the other

607
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:20,960
podcast and that we're going to do

608
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,840
sometime soon is going to be i love

609
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:25,679
watching the first five to ten minutes

610
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,240
of alien movies and i think we've talked

611
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:31,360
about this before as to how they arrive

612
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,159
and

613
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,919
like how they potentially communicate

614
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:36,080
you know independence day yeah like the

615
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:38,080
big build the big build the satellite

616
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,280
images

617
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,039
object comes in through the atmosphere

618
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,360
which takes ages but i love i mean the

619
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,799
effects for the time are phenomenal and

620
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,720
they still hold up now and it comes in

621
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,000
through the atmosphere and you see it

622
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,080
bundling through the different layers

623
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:52,159
and then they sit

624
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,520
they just sit there you still don't see

625
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,440
any beings and there's maybe half an

626
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,120
hour of the movie going by before we get

627
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,960
there they blow everything up and then

628
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,799
the little ships come out and that's

629
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,240
where you get the big dog fights and

630
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,760
it's quite a while before you see any

631
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,280
beings like will smith i think is the

632
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:07,200
first time when he welcome earth the

633
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,320
famous scene punches alien um

634
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,080
that's the first time you see the beings

635
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:14,320
whereas other films like arrival god i

636
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:15,120
hope

637
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:18,960
the visitors don't watch that like we

638
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,200
would be judged for that that would be

639
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:24,000
seen as a very galactically racist

640
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:24,960
scene

641
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:26,960
yeah again just entirely unnecessary to

642
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:30,000
punch them in the face like uh but i i

643
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,520
was going to see a rival as well i know

644
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,280
that's a favorite of yours yeah yeah

645
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,120
that takes a while for everything to be

646
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,520
unveiled that's it the ships just are

647
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,360
there they're just they just arrive and

648
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:41,600
they sit and there's a more peaceful

649
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,799
from their point of view attempted

650
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,799
communication so

651
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,559
how do you think that would potentially

652
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:48,320
go do you seeing it being the old

653
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,919
helicopter with a flashing lights

654
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,919
attempts or would it be radio

655
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,679
frequencies and what could you see

656
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,440
realistically happening there

657
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:58,080
i i think you'd find that you know

658
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,679
kind of similar to a rival the areas

659
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,120
would be cordoned off people wouldn't be

660
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:04,000
allowed to get near it it would be

661
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,679
official bodies

662
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,400
attempting communication and to figure

663
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,960
out what's going on basically um how

664
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,960
much of that we would know you know in

665
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,799
arrival for example we stick to amy

666
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,039
adams character who it goes into the

667
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,279
ship and everything but if that film was

668
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:21,279
from the point of view or you or me it

669
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,640
just would have been they're here and

670
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,320
then days of nothing until they

671
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,000
disappeared

672
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:27,679
what about though in the sense that

673
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,440
let's talk about loads of ships come

674
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,080
down so that they're based in various

675
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,760
different major cities okay we'll go

676
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:35,919
with that that age-old cliche

677
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,559
do countries agree on a way to go about

678
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,799
it or do you think they try their own

679
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,559
look the russia chain in america sit

680
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,240
around the table and say look

681
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,080
we have taken uh to work this one out

682
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,919
together or do they all attempt their

683
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,279
own stuff

684
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,520
well i think a good kind of comparison

685
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:54,000
here would be climate change right you

686
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,840
know we have the paris accords we we

687
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:57,840
have a lot of different countries

688
00:25:01,110 --> 00:25:00,159
agreeing to these kind of targets that

689
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:01,120
will

690
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,720
save the planet

691
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,240
but

692
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,159
really what is going to take an

693
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,480
international effort

694
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,799
it appears that even in this kind of

695
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,559
emergency

696
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,480
some countries aren't playing ball and

697
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,919
there might be reasons behind that you

698
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:17,279
know they might not have the advancement

699
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:18,640
or the infrastructure and things like

700
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,600
that but in a moment like that it's up

701
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:23,679
to

702
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,360
wide but in a very friendly way and i'm

703
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,600
going to emphasize that because of the

704
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,279
the goings-on at the moment in

705
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,720
afghanistan

706
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,159
well scott does mention that it

707
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,240
potentially could be the u.n but perhaps

708
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,240
we would have to elect representatives

709
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,720
outside of the normal political process

710
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,279
specifically for this task as the skill

711
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,760
set needed would be different also the

712
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:51,840
un is often dominated by the bigger

713
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,080
powers as well

714
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,159
catherine catherine got in touch and she

715
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:58,480
said straight off the bat money becomes

716
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,710
again i think it depends if they're nice

717
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,799
or if they're bad you know if we're

718
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:08,559
gonna have to return to a barter system

719
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:09,440
because

720
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,559
no one trusts the government and

721
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:12,000
everything's falling apart and all our

722
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,520
officials are gone or something then

723
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,039
yeah probably money's not going to get

724
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,279
you very far or if it was bitcoin and

725
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,720
i've not got any

726
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,400
that would be really frustrating oh man

727
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,480
the mining fees and the weight for those

728
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,640
processing times would be crazy some

729
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,880
some transactions take like a week

730
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,679
um

731
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,520
yeah no good in a post-apocalyptic

732
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:31,360
wasteland

733
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,919
right catherine makes a point i don't

734
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:36,400
necessarily agree with this in the short

735
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,080
term but i think there's a good

736
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,840
discussion here dan

737
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:41,520
so don't spoil this

738
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,559
so we discover we discover our innate

739
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:47,360
ability to telepathically communicate

740
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,799
straight off the bat i'm saying that

741
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,039
that doesn't happen overnight okay

742
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:53,840
however

743
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,200
do we open ourselves up to

744
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,360
a kind of global enlightened dream

745
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,360
scenario wasn't it for a lot of people i

746
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,799
i don't know that it's necessarily mine

747
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,400
to be honest but

748
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,200
we discover an ability to to communicate

749
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,240
and have a bigger place in in the galaxy

750
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:12,320
in the universe and do you think that

751
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,149
no

752
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,559
because i think we're all in very

753
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:22,799
different places as people as countries

754
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,960
as smaller groups you know as a race um

755
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,880
without going into the political

756
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,159
world

757
00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:32,640
right now yeah without going like that

758
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,400
it's a fair point though that the world

759
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,080
is very different country to country

760
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:38,000
city city that

761
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,520
we're not all in the same place like you

762
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,039
say that overnight it's like do you know

763
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:43,200
what we should all be getting on i just

764
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:44,080
don't

765
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,760
i mean there are literally some people

766
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,600
on this planet who

767
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,240
this series of events wouldn't make a

768
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,630
who you thinking

769
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,520
uh oh i forget the name the uncontacted

770
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,080
tribe um i was going to say do you mean

771
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,159
like the kind of the like people on the

772
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,720
amazon and those kind of tribes are yeah

773
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,720
there's an island the society you

774
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,960
christian emma series went to try and

775
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,799
convert them and it went very badly for

776
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,799
the for the people that visited um and

777
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,159
it's just you know they got killed by

778
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:18,080
spears basically yeah yeah that was that

779
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:18,880
was

780
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,640
got shot by trying to approach them and

781
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,360
talk about god um yeah that's that's how

782
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:29,840
that one went for them so i mean sad as

783
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,559
it was um catherine also says that she

784
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,640
gets to say i told you so to my friends

785
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:36,080
that's that's a guilty pleasure i'm

786
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,600
sorry but i would be that guy as well

787
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,960
going yep

788
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:41,200
i've got my t-shirt and badges ready i

789
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,480
told you so

790
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,640
yep and then they'd be on dan's page

791
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:47,039
straight away

792
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,559
so we'll be free at that point yeah the

793
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,320
economy crumbles around us but dan's

794
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,840
still asking you to wait three to five

795
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,360
days for shipping if you're based in the

796
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,360
uk um

797
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,520
as she does say catherine says stephen

798
00:29:03,830 --> 00:28:59,520
greer discovers that while all ferries

799
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,840
might be ufos not all ufos are fairies

800
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:06,000
so there's a dig at stephen greer in

801
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,440
there as well

802
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,679
again though and no scenarios right you

803
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,600
take out the alien invasion type

804
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,200
scenario and that there's more of a

805
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,200
peaceful type of process

806
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,039
i'm fascinated and that's that's one of

807
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:19,039
the reasons i just want things to move

808
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,159
forward

809
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,640
not necessarily to a full disclosure as

810
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:24,320
much as i would love that but

811
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,840
just to get a little bit more info out

812
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,240
to knock off and this isn't directly

813
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,080
aimed at steven grier but just

814
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,120
charlatans and frauds in general

815
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,520
because i doubt any alien species would

816
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,279
come down and say oh do you know what

817
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:38,880
we've read david wilcox book and it's

818
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,360
not very good or you know corey goods

819
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,840
talking nonsense are you know c5 doesn't

820
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,200
work

821
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,799
it's a good kind of line of questioning

822
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:47,760
because

823
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,559
do those things go away with disclosure

824
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,399
or do those guys go they're still lying

825
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,480
to you and it becomes something like q

826
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,960
and you know it stays around in that

827
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,360
very kind of dark recess of the internet

828
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,640
form that's where i was going to go

829
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:02,080
though you look at what we've got now

830
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,120
with

831
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,840
the tic tacs and you know ttsa and loyo

832
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,159
arizondo chris melon and that's not 100

833
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,159
proof of anything but

834
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:12,799
it's it's splintered the whole community

835
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:16,399
and the people involved and it's those

836
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,520
it's it's very telling that

837
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,039
a lot of those groups have kind of

838
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,360
stayed in their own thinking of factions

839
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,960
and cliques and and all that kind of

840
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,279
stuff that you're not going to get

841
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,520
loyalisondo and corey good and steven

842
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,080
grier and david wilcox around the table

843
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,159
all chatting this through because

844
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,919
they're in very very very different

845
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,520
places

846
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,000
i'd uh i'd put my money on lou if that

847
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:42,000
was a celebrity death match

848
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:42,799
yeah

849
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,240
i'd be all over that and and you'll

850
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,679
appreciate this one talking to dogfight

851
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,159
stan and dogs and cats living together

852
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:52,640
mass hysteria

853
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,080
yeah that's fair i i don't think i mean

854
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,000
we we think of i think the war of the

855
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:00,240
worlds radio broadcast right and like i

856
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:01,440
said before i don't think it was quite

857
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:04,159
as widespread as it's kind of reported

858
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,960
but

859
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,640
certainly some people had to have

860
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,880
experienced hysteria from just a radio

861
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,559
play and

862
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,760
you know

863
00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:13,440
we we wouldn't bat an eyelid of that

864
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,520
these days um but we kind of have a

865
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,919
different form of things right so ours

866
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,919
would be you know twitter tick tock all

867
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,320
that kind of stuff we'd be seeing

868
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,559
yeah we'd be seeing disclosure through

869
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,559
40-second bites

870
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,399
here's one right okay so we're talking

871
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:29,919
about you know we find out we're not

872
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,120
alone what if the scenario dan was and

873
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:34,880
let's just talk about this one generally

874
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:38,000
because it's a big idea that

875
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:38,799
we

876
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:43,760
project galileo

877
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,640
picks up a huge spacecraft

878
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,320
you know like amumua

879
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:51,039
imagine we managed to pick up a full

880
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,240
8k

881
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,880
image of what was a football sized or

882
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,320
bigger craft

883
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:57,919
passing through the edge of our solar

884
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,320
system it doesn't interact with us but

885
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,519
we pick it up it's broadcast on live tv

886
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,360
we're not alone

887
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,760
we we can't get in touch with it and

888
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:09,440
it's gone

889
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,389
i think

890
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,880
you one immediately

891
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:18,720
have science

892
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,760
funny money into somehow being able to

893
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,600
communicate or find where that craft

894
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,919
came from and so on so forth suddenly

895
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,760
all the attention we ever wanted would

896
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,200
be there

897
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,679
people like us i mean we we just double

898
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:34,640
down right we're already kind of in the

899
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,159
right mindset to want to tackle this um

900
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:40,159
i think people who aren't into the

901
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,919
subject i think it will be one of those

902
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,360
things where they're kind of like wow

903
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,120
that's amazing and then when kim

904
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:47,039
kardashian breaks the nail next week

905
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,880
they'll kind of their attention would go

906
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,799
there so that's that's for one thing let

907
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,159
me pick you up on that because that's

908
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,320
what i think as well i really do think

909
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:56,559
we're in a place in 2021 if this

910
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,919
happened tomorrow you know sky news cnn

911
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,440
fox news i've got to cover all the bases

912
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,039
in america for the different channels

913
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:05,039
nbc good morning america whatever you

914
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,000
watch whatever your political

915
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,960
affiliations you know australian news

916
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,279
african news whatever you watch you see

917
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:14,159
live images of a huge alien craft or

918
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,360
something that's definitely not from

919
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,919
here but it's way way way out

920
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,000
in the solar system we pick it up and it

921
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,159
just goes past

922
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,760
i think pretty quickly people go back to

923
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,159
i'm watching love island or you know

924
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,399
what's on netflix or i think there'll be

925
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:33,039
a massive part of society that go ah

926
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,159
cool and just move on

927
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,760
and i don't know if it's that i don't

928
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,720
know if it's something that social

929
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,279
medias contribute to massively that it's

930
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,799
bite-sized chunks and it's got to be

931
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,799
fast information like okay it's got to

932
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,640
be followed up now now now you know what

933
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:48,960
binge watching that people no longer can

934
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,279
wait a week for a tv show there's no

935
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,760
build up or or payoff that you know what

936
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,200
i've watched this series for three

937
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,919
months or six months and i'm about to

938
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,440
watch the finale

939
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,519
now it's i've watched a full series in a

940
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,120
day it was really good

941
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,360
and then you forget about it for a year

942
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,440
yeah absolutely and it's kind of a

943
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:10,000
testament to what ttsa and lou and chon

944
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,679
and everyone like that has done

945
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,200
to kind of

946
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:15,599
get it to a place where people would see

947
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:18,079
something like that and shrug

948
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,200
you know i

949
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:22,079
say that's kind of

950
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,679
what it looks like when the stigma goes

951
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,720
away

952
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,639
it's also part of the battle still just

953
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,720
now isn't it that we still have those

954
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,040
arguments and you see it online and i

955
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,960
think everyone experienced it with the

956
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,440
task force report build up as we saw

957
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,359
more and more people commenting on

958
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,679
threads and posts which was great but

959
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:41,760
who weren't necessarily interested in

960
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,240
the subject they were very skeptical and

961
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:46,000
people who were very much dismissive of

962
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,919
it as well and they came and got

963
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,159
involved and quickly disappeared

964
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,520
because

965
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:53,839
the task force report came out it didn't

966
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,440
say here are the aliens and it went away

967
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:59,680
we know there's there's more to come you

968
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,720
know there's follow-ups and

969
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,320
and we're waiting on that next news drop

970
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,000
that no doubt will be sooner than later

971
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,880
i i would i would hasten to add but

972
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,400
there's a lot of people who who need

973
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,119
that instant news story news story news

974
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,599
story bang bang bang like jeremy corbell

975
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,880
was doing at one point where it was

976
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,480
quite regular

977
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,079
as big or small as it might be some

978
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,400
people really need that talking point

979
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,400
and when it's not there they don't want

980
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,880
to dig into the the history or

981
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:28,480
they won't want to necessarily listen to

982
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,920
a show like this and

983
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,440
think about the speculation and think

984
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:33,440
about the ideas and i appreciate doing

985
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,720
the listener calling shows where you

986
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,560
hear people who found the podcast like

987
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,560
three weeks ago one of the listeners

988
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,240
sorry i can't remember their name but it

989
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,920
was only three weeks ago that they found

990
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,400
the podcast on spotify based on

991
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,560
listening to to david fraver i think it

992
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:48,880
was on joe rogan and went looking for

993
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,680
ufo podcasts so people now hopefully

994
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,359
listen to this and go i've not thought

995
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,200
of that idea before or that's

996
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,680
interesting or they listen and dan and

997
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,079
andy are talking total nonsense but it's

998
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,240
made me think what if this

999
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,079
and it just changes that evolves the

1000
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,920
conversation a little bit for me which

1001
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,079
which i find pretty pretty interesting

1002
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,119
um but yeah i think in 2021 you're right

1003
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,480
there's that but what are the

1004
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,720
kardashians doing what does kanye think

1005
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,920
of all this

1006
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,480
there are there are the questions um

1007
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,200
bikier um got in touch and he was

1008
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,440
curious that he would want to know how

1009
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,040
long that potentially they have been

1010
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,880
visiting here after they've been

1011
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,800
observing us and what their opinion of

1012
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,119
the human race is as a whole probably

1013
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,960
best avoiding that opinion question

1014
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,280
right at the minute um but what do you

1015
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,359
think about the the immediate questions

1016
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:38,880
of do you think people would want to

1017
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,160
know like the general public

1018
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,680
i think they would

1019
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,359
you know as much as

1020
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:47,599
the attention spans are sure these days

1021
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:48,560
people

1022
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,520
were fascinated before you know when in

1023
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,760
the lead up to the ua ptf

1024
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,280
um

1025
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,800
people really love the subject they're

1026
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,640
intrigued by it they want to know about

1027
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,240
it it's just how much attention they're

1028
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:02,079
willing to give it unless

1029
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,440
you know

1030
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:06,079
an alien being is on their lawn

1031
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:07,680
would you rather

1032
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:10,400
that you had option a as

1033
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:11,200
we

1034
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,040
meet an alien 80 intelligence non-human

1035
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,960
and they've been observing us and they

1036
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,880
know all about us or would you rather we

1037
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,760
got

1038
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:22,480
total stranger tourists fresh off the

1039
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,839
fresh off the bus

1040
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:26,079
they arrive here and they are like you

1041
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:27,040
know what we have literally just

1042
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,670
i think the second one just because we'd

1043
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:35,680
be on an evil and kill then but there

1044
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,480
are other

1045
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,000
laws up to the first

1046
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,960
well i i i'm of the opinion that if they

1047
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:42,240
were going to do that that would have

1048
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,520
happened

1049
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,200
you know a long while ago

1050
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,640
um

1051
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,480
but yeah there are benefits the first

1052
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,839
because you know we we don't know the

1053
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,160
history of this planet we there are a

1054
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,480
lot of things we do not know that they

1055
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:56,800
could help us with i guess

1056
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,240
yeah absolutely um big here also adds

1057
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,400
he's worried about people choosing sides

1058
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,400
even if the aliens themselves said they

1059
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,240
aren't here to harm us people would

1060
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:07,839
still choose to believe them or not

1061
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,240
believe them that's spot on yet

1062
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,920
i think an issue that could be solved

1063
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,599
immediately is finding out if these

1064
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,280
objects are a danger to commercial

1065
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,359
airlines should we be concerned about

1066
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,359
crashing into a ufo on our trip to

1067
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,680
cancun for spring break or do these

1068
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:23,760
craft have some super advanced collision

1069
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,320
avoidance systems on board that's kind

1070
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,480
of where we are right now right

1071
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,720
yeah you know we've got the faa

1072
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,119
coming out saying

1073
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,440
that you know they they are kind of kind

1074
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,200
of amassing sightings report and they

1075
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:38,560
have a database

1076
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:39,760
um

1077
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,640
and the threat question is really about

1078
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,200
in our everyday lives i.e you know when

1079
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:46,960
dave fraver and all the people that

1080
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,640
succeeded him go off and do their thing

1081
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,640
are these things being there

1082
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,640
just in that alone

1083
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,480
um a threat

1084
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:58,320
and yeah it's possible you know unless

1085
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,760
unless we know they have an

1086
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:01,440
anti-collision thing it's something that

1087
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,400
we we really do have to figure out

1088
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,000
i can't remember who i was talking to it

1089
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:08,880
was in the group with uap media or on

1090
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,760
the discord chat or and i mentioned i

1091
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,680
might have been the discord chat talking

1092
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,680
about how you know when you're trying to

1093
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,599
and you shouldn't swap flies but you

1094
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,280
know with your hand and a flies flying

1095
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,960
towards you and you just can't seem to

1096
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:22,560
hit it

1097
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,599
and so basically yesterday um dj from

1098
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,839
life mma in nba was on a live stream

1099
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,000
with nathan who is a wave soul one of

1100
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,920
our listeners and very good listener too

1101
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,000
always good to hear from him and uh

1102
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:36,160
chris leto yeah has his youtube channel

1103
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,440
it's a really good chat

1104
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,520
and i i mentioned dan something you'd

1105
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,280
picked up on previously that you've

1106
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,839
mentioned but not many people do as the

1107
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,079
the way the tic tac apparently was was

1108
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:47,920
tumbling when it was above the ocean

1109
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:50,960
yeah it wasn't necessarily sitting

1110
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:53,599
straight and and moving left to right it

1111
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,400
was

1112
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,079
and i like you liking it too when you

1113
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,680
drop your mobile phone

1114
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,599
and it tumbles out your hands that's

1115
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,920
literally a quote uh alex has said that

1116
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,520
herself okay

1117
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,040
like when a

1118
00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:06,640
phone hits the floor and i i kind of

1119
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,320
likened it i said oh yeah when a rugby

1120
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:10,079
bull bounces you can't really tell which

1121
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,320
way it's going to go and it just

1122
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,000
you know looks weird

1123
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:17,200
yeah so i i happen to mention that with

1124
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,560
them as well um

1125
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:19,839
[Music]

1126
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:22,320
so they have a very erratic movement

1127
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,760
like when you're trying to swat a fly

1128
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:26,160
you don't understand how or why it moves

1129
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:27,280
the way it does

1130
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,800
and anytime you think you're going to

1131
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,520
get it or you know again sorry people

1132
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,680
who are fans of flies but you know knock

1133
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,359
a fly with a towel or get out of the way

1134
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,480
you know it's going to land on the kid's

1135
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,560
foot or something and it moves at the

1136
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,400
last minute and that's the way these

1137
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,520
objects seem to react that it's it's not

1138
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:45,760
an issue until the very last second and

1139
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,720
then

1140
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,720
bang a right angle turn and it moves out

1141
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,880
the way or it accelerates off

1142
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,880
and i just wonder is there some kind of

1143
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,240
awareness

1144
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,520
whether they're biological or

1145
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,920
non-biological that

1146
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,000
it's just not an issue we we literally

1147
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,079
can't interact with them physically and

1148
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,319
that's where maybe the emp stuff may

1149
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:06,000
play a part with some of them being able

1150
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,800
to

1151
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:09,359
knock them out as such but

1152
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,640
so i wonder on that when it comes to

1153
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:13,040
like anti-collision type systems i i

1154
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,400
don't think that would be any sort of

1155
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,160
issue with it i mean we've got tesla's

1156
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:18,160
kind of doing the same thing now

1157
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,230
they they seem to work pretty well in

1158
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:26,880
california um and and not much other

1159
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,240
places but yeah you're right um you know

1160
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,680
we're talking to officially advanced

1161
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,680
technology i think this is why people

1162
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,599
talk about these craft being gifted to

1163
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,440
us so much because we think well they're

1164
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,880
so advanced how the hell are they

1165
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,680
crashing um

1166
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,880
and the the kind of the

1167
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,240
inter-dimensional i think we spoke the

1168
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,480
other day about them kind of maybe being

1169
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,680
a window into here um you know

1170
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,680
windows don't crash into each other they

1171
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,920
they just it's not a thing we've ever

1172
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,520
worried about because then that's an

1173
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,319
assumed infallibility with these objects

1174
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:00,480
that we go there are so much more

1175
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,240
advanced and better they must be perfect

1176
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,720
yes so why why couldn't a really

1177
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,599
advanced civilization that travels from

1178
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,240
another dimension another star system

1179
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,880
another universe why couldn't any

1180
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,480
potential craft

1181
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,640
still

1182
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,400
fail

1183
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,640
we we just assume because it's more than

1184
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,480
likely isn't it that that's what it is

1185
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,200
it's just an assumption but why couldn't

1186
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,680
they still have an issue yeah and that

1187
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,680
you know we say that uh flying in an

1188
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,119
airplane is one of the safest ways to

1189
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,680
travel but they still crash a lot and

1190
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,040
you know we don't find them and things

1191
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,720
like that so

1192
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,240
and and we all know the more advanced

1193
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,760
our computers get the harder they are to

1194
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,440
fix and the more likely they are to go

1195
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,359
wrong so on so forth so

1196
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:48,000
yeah i i would think that even advanced

1197
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,359
technology

1198
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,040
would go wrong

1199
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,079
potentially sometimes yeah yeah carve

1200
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,000
and april had really similar points so

1201
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,440
thank you both um they were curious of

1202
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,800
how long and how close they've been

1203
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,400
watching like you mentioned before but

1204
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,400
they both brought up do they have

1205
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,800
historical records and have they been

1206
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:09,280
around to witness mass extinction

1207
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,640
extinction

1208
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,720
god almighty have they been around to

1209
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,359
witness mass extinction events or

1210
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,359
potentially have they helped circumnat

1211
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,920
circumvent any disasters that could have

1212
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,520
happened what are your thoughts on that

1213
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:23,839
then that would be really interesting

1214
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:28,870
i like to think that if i was in a

1215
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,640
spaceship and a planet was you know

1216
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,400
imploding

1217
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:35,920
that

1218
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,520
would be to save

1219
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:43,680
some of the people as many as you could

1220
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,040
um

1221
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:45,599
[Music]

1222
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:48,800
so i wonder i wonder if

1223
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,440
it almost makes you wonder

1224
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,200
if that's happened in the past where

1225
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,359
those people would be now um and if they

1226
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,599
just kind of you know there's all these

1227
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,359
very very

1228
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,920
humanoid races out there that are on

1229
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,000
different planets caused by literally

1230
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,839
that you know rescue operations

1231
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:08,079
essentially by the observers it's an

1232
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,520
awful thing to think of but you know how

1233
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,599
we always hear how we're on the verge or

1234
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,359
like the precipice of the next mass

1235
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,920
extinction event or we're overdue

1236
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,240
another ice age or something like that

1237
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,160
yeah maybe the the abduction history

1238
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:22,000
from the last kind of 50 to 100 years

1239
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,359
has literally been

1240
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:25,200
let's take some samples of this species

1241
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,160
because

1242
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,000
from their point of view of time and how

1243
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,000
they view time it's literally about to

1244
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,160
happen whereas for us it could be

1245
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:34,400
weeks years or hundreds of years away

1246
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,760
but for them that's that's pretty

1247
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,359
imminent so yeah some of these

1248
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,960
abductions is literally a case of uh

1249
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,720
let's save some of the species

1250
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:42,720
and and there are kind of some schools

1251
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:49,030
you know the

1252
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,400
the visitors

1253
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,319
kind of hit a reset button for us every

1254
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,839
now and then and that we're a grand

1255
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,520
experiment by them

1256
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,280
that's a much more

1257
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,440
negative one though

1258
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,599
that's like my example i used ages ago

1259
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:03,440
of the sims

1260
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,400
you've got a couple of different

1261
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,720
entities and races playing the sims and

1262
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,560
they're watching us and some are really

1263
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,400
invested at the start and then as time

1264
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,000
goes on they kind of don't want to play

1265
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,599
the game anymore and eventually someone

1266
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,760
puts it back on and goes yeah this isn't

1267
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,680
really going the way i wanted it to so

1268
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,160
let's start the game over again

1269
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,240
i would hope not but you know you never

1270
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,160
know um so yeah that's some interesting

1271
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,480
ideas from april and carve

1272
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,040
uh next one yeah sure

1273
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,599
next one is is from mikey and

1274
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,160
he mentions really interestingly

1275
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:35,839
he made some great points and a lot of

1276
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,000
them have been brought up already which

1277
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,599
which is great but he mentions fake news

1278
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:43,920
starts spreading on the internet which

1279
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:47,359
covers every narrative the internet and

1280
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:48,170
its role in

1281
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,359
[Music]

1282
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:51,839
what would happen going forward and how

1283
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:57,990
i mean to put it bluntly am i let's

1284
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,200
swear it's a show

1285
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:04,079
no they they would be

1286
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,440
people probably remember heaven's gate

1287
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:08,640
and you know what happened there with

1288
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:12,160
the cult kind of the suicide call

1289
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,040
um

1290
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,839
and i think we would get a lot of that

1291
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,640
um from the narratives that would kind

1292
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:20,319
of go on out there

1293
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,440
um

1294
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,760
i could imagine people

1295
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,319
like corey good david wilcox you know

1296
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,800
tons of forth really doubling down and

1297
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:31,119
kind of go in the conspiracy route

1298
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,240
um

1299
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,920
but that that kind of feels surreal to

1300
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,760
me that

1301
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:37,839
they they'd go so much worse because

1302
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,040
aliens would be here for real um but

1303
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,920
yeah the misinformation would

1304
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,640
spread very very quickly i think

1305
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,480
there's a possibility some countries

1306
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,720
would use their kind of bot farms and

1307
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:52,640
things like that to imply they maybe had

1308
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,280
more information than they did um or a

1309
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,960
better relationship with the visitors

1310
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:59,119
than they did

1311
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,319
there would be

1312
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,200
a lot of political games happening

1313
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:05,200
a lot of people give in opinions where

1314
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,040
they have no information instead of

1315
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,960
waiting for the information

1316
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,280
um and i would really hope in that

1317
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:13,680
situation that very quickly

1318
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:17,839
a kind of a group with a public-facing

1319
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,240
department would be formed where the

1320
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:21,599
public could actually be properly

1321
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:24,079
informed and have a central repository

1322
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:24,880
for

1323
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,599
everything that's been officially shared

1324
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,280
and mickey shared a lot of other ideas

1325
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,359
on there but he did kind of end it with

1326
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,680
um that over over the coming months

1327
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,440
things get better like with covid

1328
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,520
there's a new normal and we would we

1329
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,480
would settle into it um

1330
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,079
he did also mention all just given the

1331
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,240
timing of it that uh celebrations would

1332
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:45,920
still be ongoing from england winning

1333
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,040
the euros um that never happened sorry

1334
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:50,960
to any english

1335
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:53,680
um but dan's welsh and i'm scottish so

1336
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,640
that says it all um erin uh who's all

1337
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,960
nice to hear from lots of jostling for

1338
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,200
influence from world leaders celebrities

1339
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,880
the the bezos branson musk types a mix

1340
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,200
of fear or disbelief and military

1341
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,280
industrial scheming for how best to get

1342
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,920
them to help exploit resources or

1343
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:13,599
technology

1344
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,040
medicine done

1345
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,280
keeping it broad in general there's this

1346
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,280
idea again that any alien race would

1347
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,920
come down and fix all our ailments

1348
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:23,760
straight away

1349
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,480
why do you think that is

1350
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,200
again it depends on them because where

1351
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:31,119
carbon-based life forms everything works

1352
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,800
a certain way if the aliens came here

1353
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,119
and they hadn't viewed us before you

1354
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:37,040
know if they've just bumped into us they

1355
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,640
wouldn't have a clue how to treat us

1356
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:41,040
quite frankly um

1357
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,480
any other form of life would know how to

1358
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,079
treat themselves they would know how to

1359
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,720
treat things they'd encountered

1360
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,880
but anything outside of their kind of

1361
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,359
experience would be

1362
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,800
you know they wouldn't even know how to

1363
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,720
fix a paper cut they'd probably find it

1364
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,800
fascinating that our bodies heal it

1365
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,559
could be a unique ability that we have

1366
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,160
we just don't know

1367
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,480
so i i wouldn't take just assume that

1368
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,240
that's going to happen you know

1369
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,400
yeah absolutely and i like the idea as

1370
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,040
well that um eric wren also mentions

1371
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,880
we're assuming that we would be able to

1372
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,720
communicate at all

1373
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,000
um yeah

1374
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,640
that's a big one for me

1375
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,720
oh yeah we'll work it out or it would be

1376
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,720
ai or you know we could use lights but

1377
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,960
imagine just there was nothing we just

1378
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,640
couldn't figure out how to do it yeah

1379
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,559
absolutely i was talking to a friend and

1380
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,160
we were talking about intelligent life

1381
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,480
and where the kind of the line is for

1382
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,200
that and we quickly got to the point

1383
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,599
that we think communication would be our

1384
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,400
kind of yardstick um just because

1385
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,559
without communication you literally

1386
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,839
cannot communicate that you're as

1387
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,400
intelligent

1388
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,280
um you know rats might think about

1389
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,680
the stars for all we know but we think

1390
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,520
that they just like the little boxes in

1391
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,280
labs and things you know

1392
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,359
absolutely karen had a lot of really

1393
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,040
good points um

1394
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,960
one of our questions straight away would

1395
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:01,040
be where are they from and what do they

1396
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:02,480
want

1397
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,760
so there's an interesting take

1398
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:05,920
straightaway of what do they want

1399
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,240
usually you assume it's you know peace

1400
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:10,960
loving light and all that nonsense but

1401
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:14,480
do you think there would be a massive

1402
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,240
element of trepidation as to

1403
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,319
just as as human beings that we would be

1404
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,920
naturally wary and suspicious

1405
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,599
potentially

1406
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,119
possibly

1407
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,000
you know we i i think

1408
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:29,680
there's almost an intelligence game that

1409
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,559
would be

1410
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,240
it would start playing the second that

1411
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,160
they revealed themselves right or the

1412
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,319
second that anyone knew that they were

1413
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,800
here um we we know that the intelligence

1414
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:41,280
agencies haven't let this go since as

1415
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,270
on that thought dan

1416
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,359
what would be really funny as if like

1417
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,119
the aliens landed and came out some kind

1418
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,359
of ship and as they walked down the ramp

1419
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,040
some general somewhere turns to his

1420
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,200
friend and goes that's not the ones

1421
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,680
we've got

1422
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,599
now that's a good film opening

1423
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,440
that that would be good winter ah that's

1424
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,920
that's not the ones we're aware of like

1425
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:07,040
but that goes back we had that

1426
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,960
conversation that recently i think i

1427
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,720
asked the question of

1428
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,319
do they know about each other do

1429
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:14,559
different beings and entities have an

1430
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,920
awareness that

1431
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,160
you know say there's another

1432
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,480
say these others are based here whether

1433
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,040
it's our reality or physically on this

1434
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,440
planet or or otherwise but then that

1435
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:27,599
there are let's just use mars there are

1436
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:30,079
flying sources coming from mars okay

1437
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,040
like do they know about those other

1438
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,359
beings here or do they know it's just

1439
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,680
there's a planet with life or it or or

1440
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:40,000
do the others based on this planet know

1441
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,800
of

1442
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,800
x y and z out there in the universe like

1443
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,800
again there's an assumed knowledge that

1444
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,240
oh they can answer all the questions

1445
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:47,920
isn't there

1446
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:51,520
yeah absolutely we we for some reason we

1447
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,880
just assumed that they're going to be

1448
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,880
smarter than us it would be interesting

1449
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,800
if they showed up and we were on an even

1450
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,119
keel or you know the opposite would that

1451
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:02,160
not be really disappointing

1452
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,280
a little bit

1453
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,520
uh are you thinking can a district name

1454
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,760
where an alien race come down and need

1455
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:09,040
our help

1456
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,400
and they're like they're like refugees

1457
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,240
so you'd be like ah we we kind of wanted

1458
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,680
your help and they're like no no no you

1459
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,040
have to help us

1460
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:17,119
yeah and i mean uh a rival did that too

1461
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,880
right the the point of the aliens visit

1462
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,800
him was to ask for humanity's help and

1463
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,319
then they gave them a machine and

1464
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,480
basically said in you know i think it

1465
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,040
was 10 years or maybe 50 100 we'll be

1466
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:29,440
back and we we need you to have built

1467
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:30,839
this for us

1468
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,440
um in a way be disappointed but in

1469
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,920
another way it kind of it fosters

1470
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,760
friendship right

1471
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,680
to work together so

1472
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,440
i think it might be nice for us to feel

1473
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,160
useful instead of useless

1474
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,880
dave smith uh brings up an interesting

1475
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,480
point again a lot of the topics have

1476
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,200
been covered sort of already but he

1477
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,599
ponders the idea that rogue nations such

1478
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,839
as north korea and iran

1479
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,160
would potentially use alien appearance

1480
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,240
as leverage by threatening to attack

1481
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,000
aliens so we are talking about the big

1482
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:04,400
superpowers how do you think those other

1483
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:06,640
maybe separatists or smaller nations

1484
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:12,150
people tend to react badly when they're

1485
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,359
left out i know that um

1486
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:19,270
we did

1487
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:25,030
being into aliens when you were going

1488
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,800
through primary school that's

1489
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,559
yeah true

1490
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:30,960
but you know they do and there's kind of

1491
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:33,440
posturing that goes on um

1492
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:35,119
so

1493
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:37,599
yeah i think there might be a few people

1494
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:40,960
that kind of oh sorry a few nations that

1495
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,720
don't step up to the plate so to speak

1496
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,640
yeah yeah potentially it's an

1497
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,240
interesting idea as well i mean it's not

1498
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:50,079
the the nicest one and you can you kind

1499
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,599
of go worst case scenario there don't

1500
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,520
you but um

1501
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,240
yeah dave also mentions

1502
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,319
he mentions that potentially there would

1503
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,400
be a blow to the scientific credibility

1504
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,359
of the scientific community um having to

1505
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,359
approach governments for the truth about

1506
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,359
what might have been going on and then

1507
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,960
you know about the potential cover-ups

1508
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:10,880
that have been going on as well

1509
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,800
do you think again in this scenario we

1510
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:15,200
find out what's going on that

1511
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,319
governments

1512
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,800
or those organizations come forward i

1513
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,559
mean let's just say lockheed martin's

1514
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,240
got all the stuff from the us government

1515
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,480
from from 70 years ago do they come

1516
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,319
forward and go with the us government's

1517
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,880
approval okay here's a technology that

1518
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,240
we recovered and here's what we've been

1519
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,880
working on with it

1520
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,240
i don't think so

1521
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,720
i i hope that they would if that has

1522
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,400
happened because that's one of those

1523
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,640
moments where

1524
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,240
it defines

1525
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:43,920
you trust

1526
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:47,119
um the governments or not and without

1527
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,040
any kind of organization

1528
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,680
in such a massive paradigm shift like

1529
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:52,400
that

1530
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:53,839
um

1531
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,870
worse off

1532
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:01,200
um so i would hope in in a situation

1533
00:55:04,829 --> 00:55:02,720
like that everything one would come

1534
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:04,839
clean um

1535
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,760
but i i imagine as soon as they came

1536
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,200
into the atmosphere

1537
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,440
all we'd hear is uh paper shredders from

1538
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:13,280
inside the pentagon they can't even keep

1539
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,119
blue elena's emails undeleted um so yeah

1540
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,359
danielle gonzalez had them some really

1541
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,680
interesting points goes with the threat

1542
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,040
narrative which i know isn't a very

1543
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,440
popular one with a lot of people but um

1544
00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:29,040
i'll read out what she's got here then

1545
00:55:32,790 --> 00:55:30,800
you can give us your thoughts on it it's

1546
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,800
hard not to jump to the big picture and

1547
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,880
the long view so here are my thoughts

1548
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,720
they are a threat in my opinion and we

1549
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,400
can't stop them conventionally with our

1550
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,079
current defense capabilities because

1551
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,400
they can disarm our weapons but they

1552
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,480
can't telepathically disarm 8 billion

1553
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,240
humans if we were to resist their

1554
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,480
presence clearly they have some kind of

1555
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:51,200
programming agenda clearly they say we

1556
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,720
are in big trouble with the climate but

1557
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,400
they are not sharing the tech that could

1558
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,559
mitigate our problem perhaps we aren't

1559
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,079
evolved enough to employ their tech

1560
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:59,839
because it involves a quantum leap in

1561
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:01,760
consciousness and so they're just going

1562
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,349
what do you think maybe they're just

1563
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,359
waiting us out maybe they see the

1564
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:10,960
process happening they want the planet

1565
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:14,079
and they're just waiting for us to

1566
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,599
have to deal with the consequences of

1567
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,400
our actions of a you know an industry on

1568
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:20,000
a global scale

1569
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,520
so that would be going with the idea

1570
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:23,520
that they would experience time in the

1571
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,520
same the same way we do yeah they can

1572
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,040
see the way it's going

1573
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,520
okay um danielle also mentions about you

1574
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:31,359
know and they potentially would use

1575
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:34,240
hybridization to benefit themselves um

1576
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:36,160
they're here for resources explorers are

1577
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,760
always looking for resources to further

1578
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,160
their own species and way of life

1579
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,480
um again that's

1580
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:44,480
that was something i went away from over

1581
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,000
the years but more recently i've kind of

1582
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,000
gone back to the idea that

1583
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,680
the the earth is used as a bit of a

1584
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:51,760
fueling station with the abundance of

1585
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,240
water and hydrogen i think that's

1586
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,160
something louis lozando's mentioned and

1587
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,760
i know it's quite a popular trope in

1588
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,599
movies isn't it that

1589
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,280
the earth gets mimed for all sorts of

1590
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,720
stuff

1591
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,200
yeah there seems there seems to be a

1592
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:07,280
reason that we visited and we don't

1593
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,040
really understand what that is whether

1594
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:11,119
it's even humanity

1595
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:12,799
um that

1596
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,079
the question made you think of the ship

1597
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,920
of theseus

1598
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,119
um

1599
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,280
i don't know if you remember this

1600
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:21,280
uh basically the idea is that you have a

1601
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,960
ship and over time you make repairs to

1602
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:25,280
it and you change out bits

1603
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,559
and then

1604
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,559
after you've made so many repairs and

1605
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,319
you've replaced literally every single

1606
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:32,480
bit on the boat is it still the same

1607
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,520
boat

1608
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:35,200
and there's kind of no right answer you

1609
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,559
can argue this to be blue in the face

1610
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:37,920
with people

1611
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,799
but

1612
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,559
it's what i think of when i think of the

1613
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:42,079
hybridization

1614
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,839
kind of idea

1615
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,520
that

1616
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,200
would would

1617
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,359
you be able to say you saved your race

1618
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,520
if actually what you did was you

1619
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:54,000
hybridized and kind of made a different

1620
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:55,040
version

1621
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,400
um

1622
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,640
even if that's happening i imagine that

1623
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,960
there's probably disagreement uh in the

1624
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,640
species about whether that's the right

1625
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,920
way to do it

1626
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,440
but it would be i guess an act of

1627
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,839
desperation if it was going on right

1628
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:09,599
yeah i mean it's just the label you

1629
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,040
would put on it though as well isn't it

1630
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:13,040
that you know transport started out with

1631
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:14,799
a wheel and you're going to get all the

1632
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:16,960
way to spacecraft with ion engines and

1633
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,400
everything else stuck yeah it's still

1634
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:19,839
essentially the same idea you want to

1635
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,480
get from one place to another but

1636
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,559
it's it's very much a totally different

1637
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,640
ball game to what you started with and

1638
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:28,799
yeah from a species point of view

1639
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:31,839
genetically modifying a species and then

1640
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:34,559
you know hybridization like that and

1641
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,839
as is it the same yeah like if again if

1642
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:38,720
you

1643
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:42,000
went full cyborg dc universe and got

1644
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,599
bits of you replaced eventually the

1645
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,440
point your entire body over hundreds of

1646
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,359
years was was a robot

1647
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,599
are you still done

1648
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,000
yeah exactly and then again we kind of

1649
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:54,400
do hybridization stuff with like dance

1650
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,119
as well i have to add you your cells do

1651
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,880
completely regenerate every seven years

1652
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:00,160
though don't you so technically you're

1653
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:02,000
not the same person every seven years

1654
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,920
yeah yeah i didn't know that one folks

1655
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,520
there you go

1656
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,599
you did if you were in a philosophy

1657
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,599
classroom right now they would love you

1658
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,920
yeah yeah i i'm pretty sure that's true

1659
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,200
i read that years ago

1660
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:14,880
so if anyone wants to check that one out

1661
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,760
for us thank you very much um e-wood

1662
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,440
said i think once the cat is out of the

1663
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:21,520
bag and we have a form of disclosure

1664
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:22,799
there would be countries doing

1665
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:25,119
everything they can to see if they can

1666
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:28,319
lure a uap and bring it down shoot at it

1667
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,559
or use emp weapons that he's had

1668
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,640
discussed before some countries would

1669
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:34,079
follow play to get their hands on the

1670
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,520
tech and gain a head start in the

1671
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,520
advanced tech developments

1672
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:39,599
do you know what you can't even argue

1673
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,920
against the idea that countries would

1674
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,240
use that as a who can get the weapons

1675
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,400
first to have the power it's a bit

1676
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,480
disappointing but

1677
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,799
yeah i i think so too the

1678
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,559
the one thing we can guarantee after one

1679
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,200
of these things reveals itself is that

1680
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,880
people will fight over who owns that

1681
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:58,319
thing

1682
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,599
um and finally uh simon simon had again

1683
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:03,520
some great points down there

1684
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,160
he wants to ask uh though dan what do

1685
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,920
you think on the idea that

1686
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:09,760
people would rely on to their

1687
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:12,000
governments to make sure they were kept

1688
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,960
safe and investigated things further do

1689
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,280
you think people would still have that

1690
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,599
trust or

1691
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,040
seek that kind of comfort from their

1692
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:23,440
government or other things change i

1693
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:26,319
think a lot of people don't consider the

1694
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,119
government a you know a valid entity in

1695
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,680
their lives um we've seen over the past

1696
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,920
few years kind of that happen

1697
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,599
um so those people were never going to

1698
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,760
convince to kind of listen to the

1699
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:39,760
government but

1700
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:42,079
the rest of us i think it depends on

1701
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:43,760
what the government does

1702
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,400
you know we we know

1703
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,119
through all of the paperwork we have

1704
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:50,960
um through four years by you know john

1705
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,880
greenwald or work by others um

1706
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,960
we know there's been a cover-up that's

1707
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,559
the most easily provable thing a

1708
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:00,799
cover-up of exactly what is what we

1709
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:02,079
don't know

1710
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:03,040
so

1711
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,559
if the government didn't come out and

1712
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:06,400
kind of just say hey this is everything

1713
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,240
we know and everything we gathered then

1714
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,319
i think there would be major major

1715
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:12,319
issues with trust between the people and

1716
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:13,839
the government

1717
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,880
cool

1718
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:16,079
that was that was a good discussion i

1719
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,440
enjoyed that dan i want to put you on

1720
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,160
the spot with uh last thing what do you

1721
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,559
think would be the one area of society

1722
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,559
that would see the biggest impact

1723
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:27,040
immediately from from kind of knowing

1724
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,870
that's a tough question

1725
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,880
i i would

1726
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,640
my gut reaction to that question is

1727
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,240
science

1728
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:40,799
i i think every area of life would be

1729
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,960
affected um but science would go from

1730
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,559
you know the science of today would feel

1731
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:49,359
like we were dragging our feet

1732
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,960
do you think as a species we would

1733
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,040
benefit more from you know the idea i

1734
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,760
floated earlier that we we detect a

1735
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,440
craft on the outskirts of the solar

1736
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,359
system flying on by

1737
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,680
do you think we would benefit more from

1738
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:03,839
discovering that and then having time to

1739
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,720
build on that rather than a species kind

1740
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:08,640
of pain as a visit or as discovering

1741
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:11,200
another species straight off the bat

1742
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,960
i'm going to rephrase the question you

1743
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,480
asked because it sounded like you were

1744
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:16,319
asking me if

1745
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:19,200
if a slow drip-free roll-out of

1746
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:20,480
disclosure

1747
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:24,480
would be better than a real deal um and

1748
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:25,920
yeah i think it would be i think it

1749
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,760
would be there's just simply a lot of

1750
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:29,200
people in the world who don't have the

1751
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:30,880
time or the interest or the attention

1752
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,799
span or you know a million other reasons

1753
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:34,480
they just might not be connected with

1754
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,000
the screen you know they might not even

1755
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:38,559
know that uap report happened

1756
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,850
um

1757
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,000
[Music]

1758
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:41,920
it takes a while to kind of get everyone

1759
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:45,040
on the same page and and

1760
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,799
this is going to take a while to to kind

1761
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:49,520
of reveal

1762
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,839
dan thanks for joining us again that was

1763
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,119
fun that's a good discussion and we'll

1764
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,440
be back soon with another what if and

1765
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,960
we'll announce that very very soon

1766
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:58,960
online and there'll be another news pod

1767
01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:01,359
coming out this week as well any closing

1768
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:03,040
thoughts then

1769
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,559
just to thank everyone for their uh

1770
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,960
awesome suggestions

1771
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,400
and also the ones that weren't awesome

1772
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:10,559
thank you thank you

1773
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,000
and and i i'm really sorry if i've

1774
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:13,839
missed you off um but i've tried to get

1775
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,160
as many in as i can as well so until

1776
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,640
next time folks

1777
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:20,720
that is all for this week's show thank

1778
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,720
you very much for listening please

1779
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:24,720
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1780
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,359
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01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,599
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01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,599
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01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,760
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01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:35,280
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1785
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:37,760
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01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,480
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1787
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:42,720
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1788
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:45,520
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1789
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,720
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1790
01:03:53,820 --> 01:03:50,880
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1791
01:04:08,230 --> 01:03:53,830
up you never know what you might see

1792
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:14,309
like alice

1793
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:21,000
is

1794
01:04:21,010 --> 01:04:29,990
[Music]

1795
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,430
i can't imagine how it could have been

1796
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:33,119
any better i got to the top of the

1797
01:04:36,910 --> 01:04:53,029
[Music]

1798
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,870
and everything was red i helped out my

1799
01:05:04,770 --> 01:04:56,400
boys they thought this was noise they

1800
01:05:04,780 --> 01:05:20,069
[Music]

1801
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:24,540
foreign

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01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:29,109
[Music]

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01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:02,000
it wasn't